So we’re shielding ourselves from nature and what nature really is, which is, you know, this alive and intelligent macro creature, this organism. And nature extends into the web of life and beyond the planetary envelope.

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A freewheeling conversation with James Oroc, Rak Razam and Leo Bondani in Venice Beach, 2016 in which they discuss the 5-MeO-DMT experience, the differences between lower and full release doses, practitioners and their styles and the potential of forming a guild of ethical practitioners to raise the standards of 5-MeO work.

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Consciousness is the driver. And so, you know, if an attachment can open either way or stand or change the path that we’re unfolding onto, it’s very good. You know, many people over generations now I guess, have used psychedelics both recreationally and as a work, as a spiritual practice, and you know, both have developed functions to them. But it really does help.

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Think about it – the earth secretes these substances and beings and species – including humans, with consciousness. It’s almost as if all of the species are a technology of the planet, right, to extend and have some interoperability with her own workings.

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When the student is ready the teacher will appear. When you’re ready for it and you’ve engaged yourself to experience something that’s as powerful and stunning and life-changing as this sacrament, it’s kind of like through synchronicity it may find you.

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The psychedelic experience in the West is very valid, but it’s been a stepping stone and a learning curve of our culture, which is still a very young culture in terms of both spirituality and understanding the energetics of what we’re embedded in. We’ve had a few thousand years of what’s become Western culture over time, which has distanced itself from nature and has denied, over the course of many centuries, ever-increasing sorts of denials of spirit.

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