1. The Song that Wants to Be Sung
An interview with Rak Razam and Niles Heckman, co-creators of Shamans of the Global Village.
Niles: What was the peyote medicine experience like?
Rak: So, um, it was very beautiful and very gentle. Like it’s bitter to eat but it’s not as bitter as San Pedro to get down. It’s very earthy and they say that peyote is like the grandfather energy, the masculine. But for me it was actually very gentle, not in the sense that it wasn’t um, potent, but in the fuerteness, the force of it, it woos you.
It’s like waves lapping in ocean. It woos you into letting go of the mind of the ego and to be present with what comes up, whether that’s your unconscious or connecting to a visionary state or to what the transmission it wants to bring through.
And you know what? I really think it was a similar message I’ve had from ayahuasca and from Bufo toad and from all these sacred medicines because they’re all avatars of the earth. They’re all extensions of the earth, right?
There’s this theory that they’re exo-pheromones, that they’re actually secreted by the earth and that the chemical constituents of the psychoactive plants are designed to plug into humans and to be bridges to bring us back to nature. So we don’t forget. So we remember. And the thing that I remembered with grandfather peyote, the sacred hikuri of the huicholes, was so simple and it’s the same message every time on multiple entheogens.
It’s like — frankly, it’s like love is all there is, but it’s deeper than what the Western conceit of what love is. Love is intelligent, love is radiant. Love is the unifying force of the universe.
It’s like the God force, the Creator, the Source. It’s like a song. It’s always being sung. It’s emanating, it’s radiating. And yet we’re deaf to it. Our not the species of humans, but modern humans have fallen out of step. We’ve lost the song and the song is the song of Source creating the universe.
And that’s why we’ve made mistakes. That’s why we feel so alone. That’s why we don’t understand who and what we really are. And what we’re embedded in, and this is the process of remembering, this is the journey home to mother nature, which we are embedded in like one strand of a planetary biome. We are the micro-organisms in Gaia and we’ve gone off, we’re craving sugar. We’re taking from the earth. We’re separate.
And all we have to do is let go of that mind, that egoic mind enough, which coincidentally is exactly what these sacred medicines do. They reduce the default mode network, the sense of ego and identity, and it reduces that separation. So, we open up again to what’s within us, all along to the sacred, to mother earth, to Source consciousness, to the song being sung.
And it is so freaking beautiful. I mean, it’s just, it’s just like the smile of a baby to its mother. You know? It’s so human, so incarnate, so sacred that we forget. It’s so simple. The sacred is all around and it’s so simple. It’s what gives us life. And this is the journey to remember.
This is what grandfather peyote taught me, that we have this song within us and it wants us to sing. It wants our life to be the note. And collectively we make up this planetary icaro, this song back of joy to the world and to the creator.
Gracias, gracias peyote, gracias huicholes, gracias planet earth.
Gracias, gracias, gracias.
2. We Dream This Dream Into Reality
Niles: Yes. So obviously those are some thoughts from past experiences in this [peyote] experience added to in terms of like the specific details of what happened for you. Was it very, um, heart-based and feeling based, not so much visual based, not so much audible based? How, what happened with your senses and then what happened with your heart and your visuals?
Rak: It was very, very warming. It was very much like just being present. Like, like, you know, we all have these center within us and it’s finding that center point where the mind is not constantly flickering and thinking and riffing off. And in that center point is that there was a warmth and a joy and a love and a connection, a reconnection. So there was some visuals coming in and out as I was slipping into sort of a lucid dreaming sort of phase. And there was some visuals to it.
It wasn’t the full huicholes sort of beadwork visuals, but it was more of this on the inside it mirrored the outside, which was the ceremony with the mara’akames and the tribe and this, this feeling of understanding that the men, the women and the children, like all of us were partaking of peyote, and all of us were forming this human circuit for the song to come out. And then when the mara’akames played their music, it was like the connection of peyote was the bridge to this song of creation which was singing through all of us on the outside and this feeling of oneness and togetherness and beingness and perfection in the moment.
Niles: Beautiful. Yeah. There’s such resonances with doing this together with others that are wanting to have the experience and knowing how the experience works and adding to the experience through like a musical circuit as you say. And it definitely resonates through the experience of getting downloads or having gears move forward and feeling like you’ve progressed from a new experience with a new entheogenic medicine of realizing that what you kind of thought was the case is only amplified and realize more which very much a heart dynamic.
And if we could think of the universe as a mental construct in the mind of the All, it’s like the peyote helps show us that nature–you know, we dream this dream into reality as an aspect of a larger divine mind and the peyote helps show us that our thoughts are very much causative and our thoughts very much help bring things into manifestation and things that we suspected were the case are in fact the case. That’s where peyote definitely was a teaching on this end.
Rak: And you know what? It’s like, you know, many of these indigenous cultures, they say that this world is the dream and that the originating world is where the dreamers are dreaming from. And it’s like when we have these thoughts that become actions and become manifest in the world, it makes me feel with these medicines that we are just receiving, we’re receiving like the downloads and the codes and someone, it’s like we’re conduits and humans are the bridge between heaven and earth.
And what we’re doing down here is manifesting the simulation, but it’s being dreamed by a higher Source and it’s manifesting and anchoring on the earth.
Niles: Yes. And that higher Source or those higher vibrational densities are spirit based or mentally based. And the peyote helps connect us with those spirits. However they are received to you through whatever the five senses are, whether it’s a heightening of your visual acuity or your audible senses or your ability to just get profound thoughts and realizations of what the spirits are either saying to you or feeling to you or showing to you visually.
So the experience I had was extremely visual and I think that, I haven’t heard of anybody else so far on this trip, having had such a visual experience…
3. Fractal Ebb and Flow of Peyote Visions
Rak: What did you see?
Niles: Well, you’re right about the subtlety of it. It is a subtle medicine. I wasn’t sure if it was going to knock you out very instantaneously, but it’s instantaneous. It’s very similar to cannabis with what you eat and there’s a latent period of nothing really happening for about an hour. Right? So we each ate two pieces of peyote that were prepared for us on the altar. And I think about 45 minutes later you and I testified to around the campfire saying that we felt a little bit of a stomach, um, I don’t want to say sickness, but a little bit of a one fifth of the way to feeling like you’re going to puke, but you know, you’re not going to actually…
Rak: It’s an activating energy and a sensitization…
Niles: Exactly. And that sensitization is heightened by just a fuzziness of your physicality of your body. And I wasn’t sure if post– from our previous conversations, we were going to have toad re-galactivation effects in terms of aspects of that. But that did not happen at all physically for me. So as we were standing around, I wasn’t getting so much visuals then. It was very much just feeling into it. So there’s the heart for you. And then at some point I was looking up at one of the lights that we had while we were filming and I started to see like kind of prismatic drops in the pond shimmering off from the light, you know, like that kind of chromatic aberration that I often talk about, like ripples of rainbows emanating out from that light.
So I started getting the sense that if I was to go lay down in the tent I would get somewhere further with this cause I think through these experiences, especially one that’s going to last as long as this one is, you know, it’s not uncommon for it to last five or six hours if not longer, depending upon how much you take, that I knew I would get further if I went and lied down. So between that time and the realization of that, I took probably three more pieces. So I think I ate five pieces of peyote. And you were saying that the smaller pieces are more powerful or have more little buds.
Niles: And you need to be careful that you’re not eating the flowers on top, which can apparently make you really nauseous. So every time I grabbed for new pieces, which were set on the altar, I was always grabbing for smaller pieces or pieces from a smaller plant, I should say, as there’s a stack of pieces on the altar. So I took two more and then went and lied down in the tent. And upon closing my eyes upon closing the eyelids, it all started for me. That was where it like, really began. So visually, it started to really feel like a landscape of something that had, I don’t want to say a Mexican feel, but a very flavor of the desert.
And it was almost like you’re looking at a tiny world of landscapes of, uh, an undersea coral reef, right? Where you’re–everything’s flowing and ebbing. And I agree with your water analogy of it’s very much the movement of everything in it. It feels very waterlike. So it’s a constant changing and flowing in a very fluid way. And an undersea reef that has a combination of feeling like it’s halfway between some sort of alien, you know, hyper saturated, hyper neon, hyper glowing underwater coral reef combined with a native desert landscape like you might find in Mexico or in Texas or places where the peyote lives. So it’s like it had this flavoring of the desert where this undersea world, which was not really undersea but had that flow that had that dynamic of rolling hills that were ebbing and flowing and then all sorts of protruding plants coming off of them.
And I had sent you once this recently, this picture of a hand that had on each finger was another hand that fractaled out.
So each emanation from this flowing landscape as a fractal out creature, it wasn’t so much chromatic, it wasn’t so much fractal holographic in the sense of it’s just patterns. It was actual shapes of a landscape that was an alien desert landscape that looked kind of coral reef like.
And it had very much a flavoring of something that you might see in like a stop motion animation Claymation movie. Like the textures, combined with something that looked almost like icing on the cake or “cupcakeville”. So it had this kind of sweet tardy, you know, fun flavory dynamic of all these entities that were ebbing and flowing and looking very other worldly. And these are the spirits, these are the spirits of the experience.
So as those things are transitioning from ebb and flow and state to state, I started getting specific context with very interesting, what you could call spirits or entities that were transitioning as these landscapes were constantly changing and evolving and moving. And ones I can remember was, there was a time when peyote told me to walk through the door, you know, walk through some period of moving into a new space and engaging my will to make myself do that, which is probably a multidimensional way of saying in real life you should walk through more doors that open for you as I have been in my life personally. Right? So peyote is saying you must walk through the door. You must have forward progress in things that you’re doing in your life on top of what these spirits are showing you. So as I walked through the door, I see this creature that looks like it’s some Alex Grey quadruple-headed thing that almost has like almost peacocks out.
So it’s like this peacock heading out with thousands of eyes and it’s white and has this very– it looks very much like the cactuses of the desert that were around. But it’s like this half stacked cactus that’s ebbing and flowing like an underwater reef remembering. And it has all these tentacle arms, very, very octopi meets desert look. So it’s like an octopus with tentacles that isn’t suction cups and slimy and sticky. It’s this kind of icing on the cake look like cake frosting entity that has very spiky thorns like you would find in the cactuses of the desert. I almost think of like in a Mexico sense it almost has this flavor and playfulness of like a Day of the Dead parade where you have all this individual stuff ebbing and flowing.
Rak: You know what I think it is, it’s like, it’s like, it’s like changing channels. And when we tune in on the different plant medicines, there’s different flavors or different frequencies. And so the reason why there’s all this commonality between the iconography of the Aztec and the Mesoamerican cultures um, shapes and, and sort of, you know, zigzags and things like that. It’s like the readouts of the bioenergetic, you know, planetary grid.
And then, so when peyote comes from the earth and from the ground, it’s connected in the web of life. It’s imprinting all the energies like when we say the spirits, everything has spirit in it. So all the plants, the trees, everything has its own unique flavor and signature, which could be represented visually. And so then when we take these medicines and they open up the whole UV spectrum, we see these entities because the peyote is connected to them. They’re all in this family relationship in the unitary field of the earth. And you know, that’s, that’s how we connect. And that’s why those visions, I think, uh, so common across all of these Mesoamerican cultures.
4. God’s Lego
Niles: And as we’re recording this, we’re sitting in a van surrounded by just, I want to say lush desert, you know, rolling…
Rak: Dry, dusty…
Niles: Dusty, but not empty void of just salt flat. It very much has a lot of vegetation and this experience feels like your channel of reality is switched and the current environment that we’re in moves to a higher vibrational version of itself that’s intelligent. And all of these plants, you’re seeing their avatar in an alien form that’s giving you information. It’s giving you data to transfer, that’s telling you things and it’s constantly shifting and changing. It’s like no two moments are the same. It’s usually like you’re always transitioning from one thing to another. So as a specific spirit comes in and that spirit may look like a totem tower that’s constantly shifting and changing with, you know, a solid red face and 16 eyes and tentacle arms and the uh, Alex Grey style three faces, which is the Eastern, um, you know, Hindu god form that is looking at you and sensing things to you.
It’s giving you, it’s allowing you to see itself. So that you know, when you have kind of dreamed these types of wild things that, or, or just thought of them in your imagination, that you know that they’re kind of calling to you to then find them in a more concretized way and the peyote gives you an amplification to really see them in a better way. It’s like I could, I could dream up some crazy creature that was seen on peyote that sounds like something you’d see on the deepest depths of an alien planet coral reef, but peyote lets you get there.
Rak: You know, this is like the building– I call it like God’s Lego, right? And it’s like, so DNA when it, when it imprints with the code of life and then it, it, it not just replicates, but it sort of bifurcates in it. It fractals out into different shapes which fit the environment and riff off each other. But there’s, there’s an intelligence to it.
And so, when we say like alien, the most we can imagine the most alien thing is just a nonhuman thing, right? It’s a non-unitary form thing of, so these undersea octopus’s insectoid this is the web of life and the diversity of the code as it as it grows forms for itself. Um, and you know, they’re not necessarily alien — it’s all one.
It’s all, it’s the one being in many, many forms as it expresses. If you could zoom up and out pan out type thing, you’d see that Gaia is a single organism and all of the species are like strands in the planetary biome, it’s like 7 trillion microorganisms in our stomach biome bacteria as above, so below in Gaia itself, humans and animals and plants, all of them are in a cooperative sort of structure of transferring energy and uh, they’re all sort of, they’re all one big thing. They’re all working to propagate life itself and that transference of energy.
Niles: They are, and it’s interesting that to reference on the alien dynamic of something that isn’t just necessarily a corporeal being that has two arms and two legs and it looks like us and has gray eyes, but it’s all of these other worldly spirits, which you know, you could switch out alien for spirits, spirits a better way of looking at it. It’s almost like if you just took a a plant and you were on the, it’s almost like when you’re at Disneyland on, It’s a small world after all ride and your peyote is taking you on this ride through It’s a small world after all, which has all these individual little creatures and characters in a sea of many, many, a huge amount of diversity of like little elf like alien, like spirit, spiritoid-half plant, half other dimensional ebbing and flowing things that are each saying hello to you and, and heartwise at no point ever feeling like you’re not in belonging and that you haven’t not been here before…
So it did feel like you have had contact with these entities before, these spirits before and you’re remembering that re-contact, you’re there knowing thyself by remembering your mental aspects of the absolute otherworldly niches when you go into other spaces, but you’re right, it is all part of this and it’s not some other planetary thing. It’s all here at the same time, at the same place here, but it’s so amazing to have an entity like peyote to allow you to access those things or help you access those things in such an efficient and calm and relaxing manner because it was very tame and nice and enjoyable.
Rak: Part of the mara’akames style of holding that space in ceremony was sort of exuberant and joyful and reverent and sacred, but sort of gentle as well. It wasn’t really forceful, big drums or anything like that. It was flowing and it was organic and it was, you know, it was, that’s what I really got from it. It was like opening up and reconnecting to that song that’s always being sung and just wants to express through us.
5. Sweet is the Nectar of the Lord
Niles: Yeah, and the DMT experiences for me personally have felt very kaleidoscopic and prismatic, right where you’re seeing kind of standard kaleidoscope changes, but this [peyote] always felt like I was on some sort of terrain. Like I was floating above a world and there was this terrain with all these characters that were constantly connected to the terrain. So it was like you’re in, you’re in an aircraft flying above a landscape and all these entities, these spirits are connected to that landscape and that landscape and those spirits are always changing.
So then in that sense, peyote has the flavor of the desert, it has this desert meets coral reef landscape to it visually for what I experienced and that peacock reference of like when a peacock opens its feathers, it’s like that’s the transition period to like a specific time when you go to one point in that landscape or you’re flying or floating to one point in the landscape and you focus in on one of the spirits and it sees you and acknowledges you and then kind of peacocks open and then something transitions from that peacocking.
If it’s suddenly you’re seeing a very high perfect high resolution, highest resolution, highest frame rate, highest detail, hundreds and hundreds of eyes peacocking up at you from this alien plant spirit creature. And then that is helping transition you to something else that’s going to give you new data and new information. So, it’s a very, it’s a very nice, that’s why I use the, it’s a small world after all. It’s a very calm ride, but a very, Oh, what, what yummy winter Wonderland, you know, liquid sweet, tart, sweet. It was very sweet. It was very calm. It was very inviting. And at no point did I feel anything negative…
Rak: I think, I think that’s the flavor of sacredness is the sweetness. So this is the interesting takeaway for me is that to use modern sort of computer terminology, there’s a constant data transfer between Gaia and all her organisms that is alive, reciprocal, you know, eating and feeding on itself and growing new life forms and transferring this information, which is, is the song, right?
And that it’s, it’s, it’s almost incredible that we’ve forgotten that, that we’ve like just boxed ourselves off in little cubicles and you know, this culture which is actually embedded in nature — we’re a species cargo cult and we’ve forgotten it.
We’ve blinkered ourselves off and we just pick and choose the little bits of nature which feel safe. But you know, it’s like, how could we have done this? How could we have forgotten the primacy and the immediacy and the joy and the sacredness?
And it’s like, I’m amazed that for all this psychedelic Renaissance and global shamanic revival that there’s still this sort of idea in the West that we’re having a peak experience [on these medicines] and we’re opening up to them, but it’s not just about a peak experience. It’s always there. It’s always there if we learn how to reconnect and like the huicholes, to have the right relationship and have the–the old traditions have kept the connecting hubs connecting the nodes so this energy can continue to communicate to the indigenous people.
And as the modern world resacralizes, it needs its own relationships to, you know, feed the spirits to do that energy transfer, that give and take. And the scale of it is enormous and it’s, it’s not distant. It’s not oblique, it’s not separate. The process itself of that data transfer and that communication is the sacred thing. It’s like the life force itself. Like the current is God.
Niles: Mm. Yeah. It all emanates from one place, that’s for sure. And that’s as, as these medicines have different flavors and feels, it’s definitely interesting to have experienced multiple psychedelic medicines in their indigenous proper environments where you see the different flavors of them and you see the different teachings that they have and how they have similar overarching themes of what they tell you. But then different kind of small brush drug sub flavors, right?
Like the, the cosmicness of the psilocybin mushroom or the insanely undescribable fractal holography of the DMT space or the white light void of unity consciousness of the 5-MEO space or the mother, the Gaian mother of ayahuasca. And this felt our comrade in arms on this, Carlos, was saying that peyote has a very masculine field that’s a compromising a kind of other similar balance to ayahuasca of Gaian mother in nature, but as ayahuasca is very much a mother, peyote is very much of a almost masculine figure and that was certainly true.
Every entity or every spirit that I saw had very much of a masculine flavor to it where it was a strong warrior spirit and it was all kind and loving and androgynous, nonspecific sex, but it definitely didn’t feel like it was the womb of earth.
It felt like it was some other version of earth and some more, again, undescribable space of these rolling underwater reefs meets liquid, sweet tarts, meets peacocking eyes meets desert landscape amped up two plus thousand degrees of diversity.
The diversity and the unbelievable just differences in it is what I always take away from these things. So just how much you see or how much you experience in a very, what is a very calming, and it’s not intensive experience. It’s not like the analyticalness of LSD for example. It’s very organic and it does feel very much like nature is giving you the information.
It’s not like a circuit board, it’s not digital, it’s organic, it’s very organic and that organicness however it gets communicated to you, whether me being such a visual person seems to see a lot and other folks seem to feel a lot. It’s just beautiful the diversity of people’s experiences as well in terms of like everybody being their own unique snowflake and having their own unique experience. And that’s the thing is like we could do this dozens of more times and have a dozen different experiences and that’s the McKenna mindset of the psychedelic experience is always so different.
Rak: It’s real time, it’s real time information transfer. You’re different. The planet’s different, it’s evolving, it’s growing, it’s, you know, communicating and it’s a constant, it’s a constant message.
Niles: And right when you think you know what you’re going to get, you get something novel and you know different and what you need, you know, it’s like you get progress, you make progress.
Rak: You know, the old Alan Watts quote, it’s like when you get the message, hang up the phone, but I think it’s completely the other way around. It’s like, yeah, it’s like when you get the message be the message. It’s like Marshall McLuhan and the planetary mainframe is evolving and communicating the message of the universe to you.
You are the message.
You are the manifestation of the Source code as it becomes the transmission and it’s like don’t hang up the phone, be the message.
6. We are All Shamans…
Niles: And it’s beautiful to be with people here who have had experiences with other medicines and this may or may not have been their first experience, but they understand that everything does happen for a reason where we are now as we’re recording this and we have certainly sure as shit found that on this show man, that we are guided in some ways, not to sound like it’s all for us, but…
Rak: Oh my God, you couldn’t believe you couldn’t believe the car broke down twice and then we’re get this random call as we’re sitting in the broken down car from another documentary film maker I know who has a drone camera, which we were trying to manifest. And the car we could ride with him, I mean just the most perfect holographic, you know, synchronous support from the universe to do this.
Niles: Those are like the ripples in the pond from these other places that then apply here. And it’s like you are being supported through doing the work to get to these places. And you could talk about the pilgrimage to where when you pilgrimage, which this episode has been, it’s a pilgrimage through a difficult few days. Very difficult few days.
Rak: That’s part of the sacrifice. It’s letting it be. It forces you to be present in all the adversity.
Niles: And it allows you to then get this amazing reward when you put in that sacrifice to get these types of things. And our comrade Javier was saying that everything happens for a reason. He understands that. You understand that. I understand that. So we do find when we work on these episodes that we just, it’s amazing having just two in the can now. How it is something that we enjoy doing…
Rak: We never even really set out to do this. We were invited by the huicholes and some of that crew…
Niles: Exactly. And it, it, it allows it to come into manifestation when the time feels right.
Rak: Yeah, because it’s not the ego driving it. It’s being in service to the message. When the message formulates all that data enough that it wants to then output, that’s when it all comes together and it draws the constituent parts of all its agents in the field together to be the conduit for, for that message to come through.
You know, my first experience with ayahuasca in 2006 the last ceremony and the last vision and how the Aya: Awakenings book and film ends… It just happened. It was like these beautiful fully realized holographic vision of this withered ancient crone of this Madre ayahuasca, this Shipibo woman. And she was like, really withered like bone and skin, you could see everything, you know, hair in the wind. And basically she was emanating to me and she was saying like, you know, don’t be afraid little soul. This is what it’s all about…
This what you were saying, the adversity, the realness of getting out of the boxes and out of the Western culture and being back on the earth with the wind and the dust and the sun. And what we say is the adversity. But what it does is it, it anchors you. It anchors you in the realness of the moment of what life really is. You’re meant to feel this. Yeah. You’re meant to feel life. You’re not meant to shut off from it.
That’s how the message transmits through you by being open and by interacting with the land, which you are part of, and allowing that message to come through. That feeling that comes through. That’s the thing, you know, go towards the light little soul, go towards the light…
Niles: It’s the life you’re meant to have this experience at that point in that time and it’s beautiful to do these things very, I don’t want to just say slow drip, but when we have a large separation between not trying to force the experience but allowing the experience to come to us, is similar to also having the medicine experience. I find huge benefit in having these experiences not very often, rarely, very sporadic…
Rak: And in the right container or ceremony…
Niles: That’s all you need. It’s like I feel like I could, you know, have this one experience. Just cherish this one. It’s not like I need to sit down and do it 20 more times over the next few months. And it’s all about the, it’s all about quality over quantity.
Rak: And there’s a path, so different people, different seekers on the pilgrimage, they might get the instruction to work more with ayahuasca, or more work more with peyote. And it’s because it’s got specific lessons for them. But the plant spirits are like allies, they say. And so sometimes like I love madre ayahuasca, but my ally and my calling is the Bufo, right?
It’s like, you know, when it’s a perfect fit, it’s like, it’s like this non-monogamous relationship in the play. You go around you, you see what’s what feels best until you fall in love with the one, you know, plant ally, which is the one you most resonate with and is meant to be the one you meant to work with.
So some people, you know, and this is part of that global shamanic resurgence, it’s like the crew we were with they’re Mexican, but city Mexicans.
And they’re relearning the huichol ways and working with peyote and they’re working with ayahuasca and it’s not just any one egoic centralization and this Shaman figure, you know, the Shaman thing is overrated. The Shaman or the medicine person is in service to the tribe and the community. It’s a fucking hard role. It’s austerity, it’s sacrifice. And it’s constantly purifying yourself to be in constant service to the community to regulate it, like signal processing to keep the circuit of energy going in little ways.
We saw with Don Jose its not just in the medicine and taking the peyote. It’s the songs, it’s the ritual, it’s the instruction to the tribe. It’s keeping them moving, keeping them sacralizing, keeping the traditions. And as I see this modern generation coming on board and learning from these indigenous elders, it’s like, it’s something that we all have. And you know, it’s not to get politically correct here, but we’re all indigenous to planet earth.
And people say, well the West just needs to figure out its own way. Well, how the fuck do we do that unless we have instruction from the elders who have retained the old ways and you know, we may need to retrofit or customize them for the global ghettos and the cities.
But it’s like the old ways are the perennial ways and we’re all indigenous and we all have this– it’s not just a shamanic capacity–it’s this capacity to open to the song and open to the instruction of spirits. Like essentially we’re all fucking shamans in the sense of mediating heaven and earth, mediating the message.
And I really feel that, you know, in a village structure, in prehistory, it’s centralized in the role of one person, but there’s been cultures which they’re all open to this. It’s the human potential to be intelligently aware of the expression of Pachamama as it connects and sings through you.
And you know, I think that we, we’ve had this, we’re seeing this resurgence and we’re seeing this re-uptake in these lineages being re kickstarted and created, but essentially, I see the culmination point of humanity re- sacralizing and being able to be their own conduit to, to the divine message.
7. We’re All Humans on Spaceship Earth
Niles: So true that we all have shamanic aspects within us and we are all shamans cause this experience on this show has showed that we do have focuses on elders that help teach.
But pretty much everybody here through the night that we just had, the ceremony that just lasted all through the night was contributing in a shamanic capacity. You know, whether it’s, it’s you’re being part of the icaro and the dancing or you’re actually doing the singing or you’re doing the preparing, it’s one unit, it’s one unit.
There’s no spectators when it comes to Pachamama medicine — we are all participants. The responsibility is the ability to respond to the message that you’re feeling, that’s awakened within you. And that’s what’s spreading, that’s what’s coming. And that’s what’s needed to resacralize.
Niles: The community and that these types of ceremonies–what other way in life can you connect up with people in a very short period of time and get so close to them through such an amazing heart opening, expansive experience that shows you the full, a higher level aspect of what you really are and what you have full capabilities of experiencing.
So in the modern industrialized “first world”, we don’t have that. We have such separation. So this communion of getting together to share an experience and all adds to the experience really builds community and lets you get to know people pretty well in a pretty short period of time.
Rak: Man, we were there with those kids, with those snotty noses, dirt covered faces. And when they look at you it’s like, well, they’re our kids too. It’s like it’s a tribal thing. There’s a beautiful acceptance–not that we’re, you know, Americans or Westerners, it’s just that we’re all, we’re all humans on spaceship earth. We’re all part of the global tribe. We’re all one people, y’know, Pachamama’s people and that they’re helping us to remember.
And then it’s like, so the tribe grows and it needs that solidarity because you know, there’s a global emergency from essentially the Western sickness that’s going over the earth and the way we’re relating to the earth. And so as we come in and we rejoined their tribe, the tribe grows and that one tribe starts to apply.
It’s almost like a homeopathic immune response syndrome from the planet.
More and more humans need to come back to the garden, come back to the song, come back to the sacredness. Cause once you feel it, you’ve got it. And then whichever way you choose to integrate that or to continue on the path or not, even if just the memory of that space within you…
It’s like essentially what I believe is we are the medicine, like the peyote and the ayahuasca and the Bufo and the San Pedro. Humans are sacred medicine and we just need to remember where that on switch is to reconnect like the other creatures of Gaia do.
Niles: Right. And one of the calls that we had when we were talking with our team to come down here was that the old ways cannot continue. Like you said, you know, this kind of laissez Faire, hybrid, hyper gangster, corporate, crony, mega-capitalism…
Rak: It’s a sickness…
Niles: It’s a sickness because it’s so unsustainable and so destructive. And we can also see that some things that the modern world do are good and you can see some of the negative aspects of how the tribe lives. So there is, there are balance points, but we know that you must live much more in harmony with nature.
Rak: I think this is the iteration. It’s like we forget and we remember, we forget and we go off into the ego precision point– we fall out of network centric consciousness into hierarchical point consciousness. And in doing that, we create new things and we can create iterations of things which can be valuable.
And then as we come back into network Gaian consciousness, we can bring those things to elevate up. So this idea of this, you know, there’s world ages and there’s cycles and seasons of consciousness and we forget and remember. But within that there’s golden ages and that falls to silver and bronze and iron and Kali Yuga type stuff. But as we come back into that peak state, it’s like the galactic signal processing is fully lined up so the energy is completely transmitting and feeding it around.
And the knowledge is there, the awareness is there, the resources are there, and the way is there to create basically, heaven on earth.
And I think that’s a season of consciousness, which is coming back full circle. And that’s what we’re meant to do.
So this fall into into egoic consciousness it’s just a stage we’re going through. What can we learn with– look at the technologies we’ve got like information technology, biotechnology, nanotechnology, AI technology. If we can sacralizing those modern technologies, they’re the planet too, they’re spirit, too, you know, it’s like they’re birthing through us.
So this phase in history and his-story has been necessary to build and create portals for these new things coming through which are of themselves just as sacred as the peyote or the ayahuasca or all the trees or the clouds. They’re all creation.
Niles: And it makes sense that cosmic coincidence control center leads us to see these things and helps show us these things and can show everybody these things and we can see that these people, these mara’akame and huichol people have struggles and their lives are difficult, but they have an amazing connection to spirit and to pachamama and to the understanding of these things that we’ve hinted on and they do live not in perfect balance with nature, but more sustainable within nature and have more longevity within that dynamic of how they choose to spend their time.
And just the community about them of spending time together with loved ones and brethren around the fire rather than just compartmentalization and separatization. I agree that trying to be in service to others versus in service to just yourself, you always have to find a way to be in service to yourself through being in service to others. And these medicines kind of help show us how to do that.
Rak: That’s part of the Western disconnect is that we want to be valuable. We want to plug in and we want community, we want love. You know, we want our time on planet earth to be meaningful and we’re hungry for that meaning. And once you have that planetary reconnection and then you see how that expresses in the tribe and the community, they was so freaking beautiful.
I didn’t see anyone bitching I didn’t see anyone like begrudging. It was like they all had a role. They all were in service to continuing the flow of the energy of the ceremony and the pilgrimage. And they were all valuable. And so even though they’re, you know, poor and they’re tired and worn down, they were together and they had this family, this love between them. And that is something that we often lack in the West.
Niles: There’s such a soft spot too now for Mexico over the negative stereotypes you ever hear of Mexico. Mexico is such a beautiful country in a lot of ways and the struggles of it. And I’m so wanting to continue to hold Mexico in a beautiful light and through making episodes that we just coincidentally have to have in the first two episodes of Shamans of the Global Village take place in Mexico. But I will always now have this special, special place in my heart from Mexico. Just what it’s done for us.
Rak: So, there we go. That’s a, some of our backstory for episode two of Shamans of the Global Village.
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