Live True, Love Deep: The Pathless Path

"Live hard, live deep, live true. Love, deeply. And if we can help you discover how to do that and what's holding you back? That's what we here for. What we've been seeing for the last few years or generations, is the healing of the great wounds of Western civilization – which is the egoic separation from the head and the heart and from the feeling of connection to the planet and to our place in the web of life."

Kylie: Rak Razam, welcome to The KylIe Ryan Show. It's time to evolve.

It is such a joy to talk with you, Rak. I always do this in my head when I think about [gesticulates, lightning burst], you know, Rak Razam!!! Is that what you do?

Rak: Pretty much. I had a conversation with my 12.5 year old daughter today about the power of names and naming, and how a lot of a lot of indigenous cultures…

It's the vibration it creates, and it's with you pretty much your whole life. And I think it's like in NLP, it's intergenerational NLP, whether we realize it or not. Names are vibrational and they're powerful. And so thank you for recognizing that.

Kylie: I do. It's so fabulous that you say this because literally yesterday I was talking to one my other shaman friends that will be on a different episode, Mark Kosi. And we were also talking about the power of names as magical instructions and identity amplifiers. I guess transmissions of themselves.

Rak: So it keeps me humble and this is one of the reasons. But it's in the tradition of Native Americans. It's like a verb. It's like the sound of running water. It's the sound of nature and kind of encapsulate energetics that indigenous cultures have always been present within the namings, like running bull or chief sitting water or something like that.

But my middle name is Rollerskate, just to be completely transparent, but it keeps me in flow, which is really a good thing, a flow state.

Kylie: So Rak Rollerskate Rak, Rollerskate.

Rak: Yes, that's triple R anyway, we're going down a rabbit hole there. What is this? Where am I? Kylie, what's happening here?

Kylie: You're in my podcast. Dun dun. Kylie and the evolutionaries. Woo! Yeah,

Rak: It's like a girl band. Or it's like a Scooby Doo-type of Mystery Machine type of thing.

Kylie: A little bit. It's like a portal to your best. Like a portal to your most mystical, fabulous life. And so of course, you need to be a part of it because you are a portal into magical best life.

Rak: Yes. Very good, very good. In preparation for this, I did have a look at one of your websites: Kylie Ryan, coach, speaker, Teacher and Mystic. So thank you for having me on your show because they're really juicy words and roles, and I identify with most of those actually. But there's a lot to unpack there.

Kylie: Yeah, there is a lot to unpack… I recognize you in all of those roles and archetypes as well. That's why you're on the show. I just want to talk to fellow people who also love these archetypes and inhabit them from time to time.

Rak: There's an old kind of bumper sticker that used to be in my home for many years, and it said, like, all my friends are shamans or something like that, something weird.

But it's blurred now and it's all my friends are coaches. Or maybe it's some byproduct of social media, or everyone's buying into everyone's feeds and giving unsolicited advice, and then maybe everyone's an expert now, but it's a collective journey that we're all on. And part of this idea of coaching or being a teacher, it really, for me comes down to who are you?

And on my website I have the so byline. I've said for a while, it's like "remembering who and what we really are", right? Because its not just "who".. In my mystical leaning with the work I do with psychedelics and shamanism, in countries where they're legal, and in commenting on them and supporting people and being on advisory roles, it's culture nurturing.

And that happens on an individual level, and it happens within a collective level. But we're all remembering either who and what we really are, or who we want to be. And when we get in these micro niches of identifying as being just, say, an entrepreneur or just being a parent or just a being or whatever, they're all facets. But even those facets are going on a bigger life journey and this collective journey that we're on.

And I think that's where my cutting edge is, and that's where, in a sense, I'm the most comfortable. It's like the big picture.

Kylie: I'm right there with you, I love it. The cutting edge of the diamond facets of consciousness.

Rak: Yeah. Why not?

Kylie: So for someone who is new to meeting you for the first time, what would you like them to know about you that has led you to this place where you're at the cutting edge of multi-dimensional fields of consciousness in all of these different roles?

Rak: And I want to preface this by saying I'm a little bit intimidated by this idea of fulfilling these roles. We just said to people, coach, speaker, teacher, mystic, quote unquote, because there's a vulnerability in sharing my self. But the reason I think that I am where I am, doing what I do, interfacing with people and nurturing and supporting them to really find these truths, which for me bleeds into a spiritual kind of frequency and language…

And even right here, right now, if I let the surface level go, if I tune into that peripheral background Im aware that I'm in in something, right?

I mean, in an environment, in an ecology and as well, I'm leaning more and more these days into this simulation theory, really, I mean, something and the thing I mean is aware that I'm in it and I'm aware of it being aware of me as well. I don't know, it's weird.

Kylie: I love that. I had this interesting experience once when I was doing the washing up with my gloves on, doing the washing up, and I have this really visceral sense of playing myself as an avatar in a game.

And I was like, oh, this is my consciousness moving my hands, washing the dishes and just having that, like, really visceral sense of playing myself and that this is an avatar and my awareness consciousness playing myself in life. And it's an interesting obviously there's many traditions that that lead to this in various ways. Sense of connecting back, relating back into the witness consciousness more than the day to day personality level.

And I know you work a lot in helping people access and remember that kind of awareness of awareness.

Rak: Well, what I've realized though is on the path, the pathless path which becomes your life, its all about what you're here for and what your skills are, what your challenges are, what your growth is, the relentlessness of being aware of awareness, right? And then how that contributes back into the whole.

I started out in media, basically as a freelance journalist, as a writer, as a thinker, as a completely out there nerdy sci-fi guy who's consciousness was stretched already by media. I was the black sheep that was really always on the edge. And then there's no where to go but further out, past the edges.

Once you start there. But basically I was like, we could draw a line and say, I was a freelance journalist. I was working for Australian Penthouse, believe it or not. Early 2006. But what it enabled me to do is have a more or less mainstream outlet that was willing to talk about psychedelics and consciousness, spirituality and shamanism, and gave me free rein to lend my voice to that.

And so what I did is I dived into the Hunter Thompson School of Philosophy, and I rebranded this whole idea of "gonzo journalism" into kind of experiential journalism, which meant you have to be in there on the inside of these experiences to really talk about. They can't do what CNN did years later with, reporting, sending Lisa Lee their reporter off to Peru and saying, "now they're imbibing the drug", and then you just don't get it.

You've got to plug in to the culture, you've got to plug into the medicine, you've got to plug into the language and get beyond your cultural framings, which are all indoctrinated. And there's always an agenda in every culture.

Kylie: Right.

Rak: But to be free to know who you are, this is where the journey begins. So for me, I went to Albert Hoffman's 100th birthday party, and if you don't know the name Albert Hoffman, he was the Sandoz chemist which invented or discovered LSD in 1938 and let the cat out of the bag in 1943. But we're talking about these catalysts for consciousness.

So the whole world's media was there, and I was there reporting for Penthouse, and I worked for The Age in Melbourne and, quite a lot of other periodicals. But it was this cultural event which was all about psychedelics, and it had this legitimacy of this 100-year-old man who was alive and lucid. He'd been microdosing LSD for decades.

And it's anaerobic. It's good for the oxygenation. It's stopped Alzheimer's and people are microdosing it now.

So I reported on this moment and I went in deep on that in the gonzo style. And then my second assignment was to explore the shamans of the Amazon. And when I say assignment, I was choosing my own assignments, but it was looking at the role in the mythic archetype of the shaman in the 21st century and what was happening with the rise of ayahuasca tourism in Peru.

People don't know ayahuasca is a time honored sacrament. It's a vegetal medicine that is used all through South America right now. It's a national treasure that has been protected by the government governments of Peru, at least.

And there's been this interface for the last generation or two of Westerners going over to Peru and countries like it to partake not just of the sacred medicines, but the lineage and tradition which connects them to the planet and helps heal and alleviate a lot of mental issues and glitches and PTSD and depressions and things like this, that Western culture breeds en masse.

So my career has always been doing things like that. And that kind of morphed into a book and writing about ayahuasca and shamanism, and that turned into a documentary film, both of them called AYA: Awakenings. And then that later then turned into an ongoing documentary series called Shamans of the Global Village. So I've been really for the last pretty much 15, 20 years, really working at the front end of edge of consciousness with indigenous cultures and with Western psychedelic communities.

And then for the last few years, really focusing with 5-MeO-DMT, which is both in natural form throughout nature and the bufo toad, and also a lab based synthethic version. But all of these substances are really front and center now of this discussion around the Psychedelic Renaissance and the great use of these substances, not just for healing, but for exploring, I guess the frontiers of consciousness.

And there's there's big money in the psychedelic industry now. And so there's a lot of pros and cons, and a lot of cultural issues, and that's what I advise on. I'm on a few boards in the States and work with people in a private capacity, with coaching, with these consciousness containers.

Kylie: So can I for a second, can I just pause for a second and say, Rak, you are the real deal. You are the real deal is. That's what I got from that. I'm like, wow. I mean, obviously I know you, I know I own the real deal. But for people that, because it's in this renaissance and this rebirthing and there's a lot of people that are very new to this space, and I never want to dismiss or diminish someone who is enthusiastic and the start of their journey.

But what I'm hearing from this summary is that you are mature and have that depth of understanding and gravitas in your lived experience with this for many years. So just wanting to really drive that home.

Rak: Yeah, and it's funny because I'm coming back to our original springboard here. Coach, speaker, teacher, mystic. From the old days, I think they say "those who can't do, teach". And as I've started to accumulate on my website www.rakrazam.com – there's probably hundreds of hours of free interviews and transcripts and lectures, videos, audio. There's stuff there.

But what really developed in this journey of thinking that I was a journalist (and I am) and I wasn't thinking, I'm an author – is that whatever it is led me deeper and deeper onto this spiritual path.

And then you use the term shaman, which most of us shy away from. Although I love it because secretly I love superheroes, I love all these archetypal kind of mystic wizards. And what I learned in my first journey over to Peru is that in the West, we killed our mystics and our medicine people. We killed our witches and our warlocks, our herbalists all through Europe in the Middle Ages with literally the witch hunts and inquisitions and the churches.

And we were talking offline the other day about the churches of our Irish connection and that lineage and the bloodline, and these things are in our blood. And you could draw upon this stuff talking about epigenetics and how stuff passed down, our trauma is passed down. But, you know, what I realized really is trauma kind of shapes us. Not just us as individuals.

But then when we start to feel – and this is what I feel, it's one of the things this is all about is unifying the heart and the mind and becoming whole human beings, not with little cookie cutters that fit in the 9 to 5 and fit into these isms. And so a lot of my coaching incorporates this awareness in the teachings.

It's really about the inner work of the soul, and of facing the pain and growing from the pain that this new term I turned onto about six months ago, post-traumatic stress, growth, PTSG, not D, not depression, PTSG. What I tell myself is a lot of what the psychedelic medicines do and prepare me is probably the best at this.

I say there's a shorthand. It's like I always think of the tv show MASH. Remember, MASH they're often in triage in surgery all the time, and I picked it up a bit. It's like, nurse, I need a sponge. Suction. Suture. Scalpel. Right. There's all these different instruments, and I feel that all the different predominantly plant and earth medicines, because they have a lineage, they have a connection and they have a vibrational resonance with us as human beings.

It's like genetically modified food. It might look good or RNA type of experimentation. It might look good on paper, but you don't know until it's in you. And it takes a few generations down the track to see what it's really doing. So the planet Earth medicines, the entheogens like ayahuasca and psilocybin and the cactus and the acacias here in Australia containing DMT, or the 5-Meo-DMT in the Sonoran Desert Toad.

They're not just random chemicals. There's built in safeguards and relationships with them and with nature and with us. In fact, our brain chemistry is designed to slot in and interface with these substances. We have a cannabinoid system, for God's sake. Okay. What is that thing? So we have a structure of the brain that is is formed in relationship with that sacred substance.

Right? We have tryptamines and people who don't know, tryptamines are all through nature. They're in the plant kingdom, the animal kingdom. They're in mammals and they're in us human beings. And they include both melatonin, or melatin, which assists the skin pigment, light activation, works on the serotonin system, but in its absence in darkness, the other tryptamines like DMT, which is in the ayahuasca brews (is added to the ayahuasca brews with the admixture plant), of 5-MeO-DMT, which we talked about in the bufo toad, and it's in other plants and other materials, too.

Something happened to us in a species line, talking about the genetic legacy in epigenetics and the lineage. Something happened which in my deeper understanding – this gets really deep, dense hippie stuff, but it's like cyclic time and world ages and civilizational kind of disaster crises, astrophysics. There's a lot of evidence, if you pin it all together, that basically we go through traumatic upheavals over large geological eras, a time at least every 12,000 years or so.

So civilization for me is it's a post-traumatic response that something happened and our consciousness, we came back to here in the ego to survive, to try and control nature. It's fucking crazy. Yeah. So we can say this individually and collectively in all the work we're doing on this individual level with clients, right.

It's magnified on this collective level. But if you see the big picture, it helps put everything in perspective to know how to drill down and how to focus on what's really going on.

Kylie: Yeah. Oh, it's such a transmission to all others what it is and let people digest for a second. Wow. Yeah. And so okay, so there's a lot there's a lot there.

And so for the person, for the person listening, like when they're in that egoic mind and in the kind of up here, up on the surface, what is something that you would recommend in the moment that we could do when we catch ourselves and become aware of ourselves in our egoic mind?

Rak: I think we can step back and define what the ego is, because it gets used to lot. People have an immediate retraction and contraction because they think they've been criticized for being egotistical. And obviously in the world, we need to be driving our goals forward, and a lot of the work we're doing here is helping identify who we are, what we're doing and how to manifest it, how to make stuff happen.

Kylie: Right. And I think that's crucial.

Rak: And we need the ego. There's nothing wrong with an ego. What we're saying is the ego basically translates to your sense of identity or your your ID. When babies are born, they don't have an ego. It takes a few months, right? When babies are born, their brains are flooded with tryptamines. God bless them.

And they're more connected. And they're in basically unity states or non-dual states we would say, more meditation terminology, and it takes a while to tune in to this frequency. So they come into this and they get into that groove. And then once the ego sets and it builds up and it has its pros and cons and gets affected and all the trauma and all the great things as well.

But the personality starts to be shaped and then we drive forward. But what many people don't realize is it's permeable and it's changeable, and we get locked into rigid ego structures and we get locked into building up a lot of charge. As we go through life, good and bad things happen. But humans are the only animals which store traumatic events in our beings, right?

In a more energetic shamanic sense, we'd say we have an energetic body. You have an emotional body, we have this luminous light body. We have these gradations of our being and emotionally like stuff happens in nature when animals are in dangerous situations and they survive splat and fear, they shake. They just start shaking and they tremor and they release and they move on with their day.

Human beings don't do that as much. It's like we hold on to stuff and then we internalize that energy that's resulted from a traumatic incident. It can be internalized and it can result eventually in physical sickness or result in personality shaping and contracting us and what we're doing, decisions we're making, how we interact with the world.

It can also result in anxiety, depression, rtc. Now Western medical science, can be amazing. We've had a lot of incredible breakthroughs there to support us. But there's also a whole big pharma agenda and there's a whole kind of control mechanism which is reflective of the growing control of society. But psychedelics as a potential healing mechanism has a lot of evidence and there a lot of modern studies being done.

Peer reviewed studies, organizations like MAPS, which have really worked for almost 40 years now to bring these medicines back into the medical model, have done a great lot of good. But we're now finding that the psychedelic renaissance is – psychedelics are getting commodified by the medical establishment and by the system as it is.

But the the ability of these substances to help in a guided, safe and sound container, maybe in a therapeutic set and setting, is invaluable. And it does this by lowering the egoic mind and then releasing trapped energies. And this is the bit where they haven't really caught up with the shamanic paradigm. It's not just that you take a psychedelic and it does the work for you.

There is one very strategic study done, I think it was by Johns Hopkins a while back, and they were looking at the mystical nature of, I think it was psilocybin and PTSD and depression and healing. And they said that the people that reported the greatest healing it wasn't just from taking the substance, it was the ones who had the full ego dissolution, what they rated against the mystical questionnaires that was, created back in the 1960s in medical research.

But it proved that it's in the release of the holding on that the healing can happen, because you're releasing the things that you're holding onto, and then you have a target window after a psychedelic experience, and there's a bit of a neurogenesis and regrowing the brain cells and patterning, you still have your your habits but you've released a lot of these trapped energies. So you have an opportunity in that target window, which is where this coaching may come in to enable you to make whatever changes are going to be strategic and valuable for you.

So what I see, there's a lot of focus at the moment on the medical use of psychedelics in psychotherapy, but they haven't quite bundled that to an assembly line after therapy for the coaching. And again, as I said, a lot of my friends, especially California in America and the West Coast, there's a lot of life coaches spiritual coaches, psychedelic sort of support and coaching in this amorphous collective.

We're not just pushing one paradigm or one thing and specifically with psychedelics and substances that affect the mind, they're not for everyone, right? They're very powerful tools. All of these things are tools, but they can unpack a lot of stuff and really deeply restructure and let the guard down.

But this is why you then need the therapy and the support and then that long tail coaching, because you may not be ready for what it reveals, okay? There's a lot of different capacities that we hold in realizing who we are, and we also have different roles within our collective civilization and being here.

But I think, number one, and what we've been saying for the last few years or generations is that its time for the healing of the great wounds of Western civilization, which is the egoic separation from the head and the heart, and from the feeling of connection to the planet and to our place in the web of life.

Right. And so a lot of us have been doing that work. And then if you've done that work, well, then we'll step to stage two, which I think is where we're at right now. For those of us that have done that fundamental, foundational work, its time to then progress deeper into service of knowing yourself and putting that into action, in service of the collective and using these substances to then optimize and to know what these energetic levels of being are. And to connect to a bigger framework of reality. That's freaking exciting, right?

It's yeah, they're getting by. But bigger than that. There's not a vision of –I mean, there are visions out there, but it's not something that everyone believes in. So you've got to find that in itself. This is the only shot you get until you come back next time. But let's focus on being here.

We're here now. Live hard. Live deeply, love deeply. And if we can help you discover how to do that and what's holding you back? That's what we here for.

Kylie: Amen. That's what we're here for. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's interesting. As you were talking, I was remembering. I was remembering, like, way back to my first NLP training and how when we were taught about timeline therapy and healing around timelines that often traumas happen in significant emotional events.

Right? So we have these significant emotional events. And I remember I know Inside Out, the second Inside Out movie has just recently come out. I haven't seen it yet, but just that idea of how they represented it in that movie of these like key lands that kind of become psyche forming, I guess, influences on your personality and your consciousness.

And so what I'm hearing from you is that through these significant psychedelic experiences, because they are significant emotional experiences, we get to maybe release trapped emotions from those past events that we may or may not even consciously be aware of, that might be stuck in our body somewhere, and then start to recontextualize or make new meaning about those events, to then give us the impetus or the freedom to be able to move forward in a new way and create new patterns.

So I'm like, really hearing you on that piece of life in the Western society. We killed all our shamans. We killed all our mystics, we killed all our witches and our herbalists. We killed all of the people that were representing this connection to nature and that were offering this healing to the community. So no bloody wonder we're having these mental health crises and anxiety and depression and all of these illnesses and identifications with problem states that are fundamentally a lack of connection to the heart and to the planet and to each other. And so what great work that you're able to do to be able to curate these experiences of healing.

Rak: You know what? I think it's almost like the second law of thermodynamics is like there's an equal and opposite reaction. You can't kill spirit, it can't it express life. Right? Matters just matter. But spirit is alive. So if you try to extinguish in a culture the human spirit, it goes somewhere else. It's redistributed. But it bounces back.

And so I think what we're seeing now is that there's this increasing awareness of awareness and of people really choosing to define what spirituality means for them. And it's not some esoteric sort of thing. It's really a lot of science. Now, you can talk science and it sounds weird because what its pointing to, what these shifts in paradigm are. are the most amazing kind of ways to look at reality.

It's non-local, distributed, it's holographic all space time. It's trippy as, right. And that's the science, right. But what what I'm getting at is, yeah, people are hungry for authentic connection and they're starving for it. And culture isn't designed for it, really, because it's the legacy of the dominator culture that for the last 500 years, killed off all our medicine people that helped us connect to the planet in this egoic disconnection, to roll over and transform and build this hierarchical crest of civilization, which is creating the AI.

So there's something going on with it all. But coming back to feeling is what it's all about. And that role of the shaman or that role of even when we say coach, speaker, teacher, mystic is the role of the shaman in indigenous cultures was originally many things. It was priest. It was like traveler between the world and with psychotherapy it was mediator. Sometimes it was a village elder or leader. It was someone who was responsible for the health and well-being of their community. What a beautiful thing, right?

I don't think it's always been centralized in a person. I think that when we say in the role of say the psychopomp–that's from the Greek, of someone who goes and is responsible for the soul's transition across the world and going into interdimensional kind of spaces which do exist.

That role is open for everyone. Everyone can be their own shaman. All right. Going into inner space, we have this potential. And all the world's media is promoting psychedelics at the moment. Michael Pollan's famous book, How to Change Your Mind came out in 2018. And then the Netflix show came out, directed by my friend Lucy Walker, in America and all of America and all the world is realizing, all the moms and pops in middle America, that it's not only respectable to be doing psychedelics, it can help with healing, and everyone's switching off and they're all looking for these experiences.

But what we're finding is the legal psychedelic industry is still getting its feet around the world. Here in Australia, last July, almost a year ago, we legislated for the use of psilocybin and MDMA to be legal in the medical system in their psychotherapeutic settings, settings in those containers.

And the reason you do this with trained professionals is that this is big work. And exactly as you said before, you want to be held in a space where you can not have to worry about everything you're worrying about because you're held in that space that you need to focus on you, and they're in service to you as well.

I like to say that what I do is more closer to being a midwife or a doula in the empathy and in the presence, seeing and holding that sacred space. Because I know what they're going through, because I've been there too, intimately, deeply. And it's as far as you can go as a human being and come back. Right.

And the great gift and blessing of that is to know who and what you really are. But the idea is you can't do that in a shaky container, and it doesn't necessarily all happen in one session, in one certain setting. You have to, you know, work on the trauma story, unload that or the patterning. And then and this is the integration bit:

And what would happen with the coaching bit is to really vision deeply if nothing was holding you back and you knew who and what you really are and your purpose here, and if you could connect with the network of other rebel revolutionary, what could we do with it?

From the emergency comes the emergence, right? But, the saying in the media at the moment is we're in this mess, a crisis. It's so big, they have to implement new terms for it all time, the polycrisis. And I won't go there. But it's like a major crisis that I mean, these aren't the normal times. And we chose to be here, as they say, right?

I'm excited because in my old superhero comics from the 1970s and all the old traditions, what I realized is when the 1940s, before the superhero was the mystery man. No superpowers. But the thing is, they responded. Superheroes were created by this collective kind of intention, because of the need in the collective, like this need for a medicine person or a mystic. We killed all ours, right? And in the absence of that archetype, nature abhors a vacuum. It bounces back stronger and it comes back eventually.

And it in this instance, what I'm saying is that there's a need which is filled always. And so this ability for us to optimize into our greatest potential and network together. Right. You've got to go to my website. I know this is so much dense information.

Kylie: There's so much I love it, I love it.

Rak: I've always said and you gotta help me with this. The money's in the merch. And I've always said like bumper stickers. T shirts, coffee mugs. Because here's another one of my slogans. I remember being like, oh, like, why not? I'm making merch with this. Someone please help me set up this Redbubble. Look at what I call it.

I call it a "samadhi mesh network", and that's one that's a very densely embedded term. But if you check out my site, there's a lot of stuff which defines all of this: its a single point focus of consciousness and yogic code. But essentially it's like you are the universe in this point. The mesh network in computing is like when the more people that join the network, the stronger it gets.

It's not centralized. So when you've worked on the trauma story of all our work in the self, across all these modalities, as we become optimized in ourselves and we know ourselves and we start to recognize each other, what can we do with that? And this is the emergence from the emergency. And that really excites me about these times, because it's really going down and we're really going in with this, right? That's what I believe.

Kylie: Yeah. I'm like right there. All right. I'm right there with you my friend, let's journey. Let's like mesh network. And it's so wild. Like when I think about manifestation and just the idea that the Hermetic Principle as above so below, like the internet itself, is the ultimate, the ultimate mesh network of consciousness that like – it's a manifestation of us being able to connect instantaneously with anyone, anywhere on the world based on the frequency of our consciousness.

What are we actually thinking about? What are we talking about? What are we interested in, what are we connecting around? And so of course, you can connect around all sorts of horrible things, or you could connect around suffering, or you could connect around consciousness or moneymaking or whatever. Choose your own adventure. And so there is this incredible opportunity now that has never existed before for us to network with each other based on consciousness.

And so I'm like, super excited: we get to meet all of our fellow allies and colleagues and fellow mystics and people that maybe we worked together with in past lives. And now we get to connect and collaborate all across the world. That's exciting. I'm like, okay, you guys, activate. Let's connect and collaborate. What can we do together? The time is now, so I get really excited about it. As you can tell.

Rak: I love it: Wonder Twin powers, activate! connect. Yeah, what I think we need to say is: we make magic. Everyone has magic in them. And it's time for mega magic, right? And this is feeling and responding to this. And that's what I'm trying to say. It's like when it's time for people to come, when it's time for telephones, telephones come. When its time for samadhi mesh networks, it's time for samadhi mesh networks to come.

Where do ideas come from? I believe consciousness is transmitted and this is not – I'm not alone in this; this is pretty much what everyone who really understands consciousness thinks. It's decentralized. It's something which is transmitting. We're tuning in. And so there's times and tides of consciousness and of evolution down here on Earth.

And were at this transition point as a species where we either go post- terrestrial and follow Elon off planet and go to Mars and devour that and through the solar system, or we also go IN> right. And if we unite with the heart, my thing is, as a species and as human beings, unless we really know ourselves, if we're just working from the wounded ego consciousness which wants more, it can't get enough. Ever.

So like, what it really wants is connection from the heart. And if you're connected, you're going to choose differently how you see the world. And we're at this point of history is always being formed. But we're at this real inflection point where what we do in the months and years ahead are going to shape our lives and our destiny as the species forever.

And so I don't know what do you wanna do?

Kylie: Yeah, yeah, what we do matters now. And so like, I get really excited by it. I feel this like huge uprising of it's time, it's time. And so for someone who also feels that call and is just chomping at the bit and soaking up every word that you're saying and it's just getting super activated by it, just really excited by this and doesn't maybe… is in a scenario where, their family or friends or their kind of current community doesn't quite get that or isn't quite on the same trip. What would be your mentorship for someone like that?

Rak: I guess it depends on the kind of specifics, but if people are interested in psychedelic journey work, I think that is a big step. We're in this huge kind of zeitgeist at the moment where everything's permissible, almost. You can be anything and anyone you want to be, and it's all up for grabs.

And so I think what most people are finding is that the public discourse and all the efficacy in the studies are saying that psychedelics are permissible again, right. Everyone from the Pentagon down and saying they're okay. But so then this becomes a question of: is it right for you? And we're not saying you have to do psychedelics, but you might be into breathwork or you might be into family constellations or understanding different aspects about yourself.

What we're really inviting people to do is to know themselves and to step into to that power of being empowered, right, and figuring out where they're at. And so psychedelics are a huge step. I mean, they can destabilize in some cases if you're not ready for them, but they can also greatly allow you to know yourself deeply. So if you choose that, the next step would be to find a safe and ethical practitioner to do that with.

I mean, there's a hierarchy there, and there's been some feedback, criticism. There's always a fringe which are saying, look, people can DIY psychedelics, sure, but that's not for everyone. And there are risks involved with that. I mean, a lot of the time in the last few generations, the criticism of psychedelics before that become stigmatized again has been that they're recreational or that just escapism.

And I think that's – I can't even from this look, I'm going to go BLAHHH to that whole comment because it's like this modern world is all escapism. I mean, it's completely different times, right?

Kylie: Excuse me while I scroll on my phone and buy a bunch of things and eat something.

Rak: I think what's rewarded or encouraged is to escape, to not look at the severity of the meta crisis.

So these substances, when utilized in the right way, are a tool for you to know yourself. And it goes very deep. The reality can unveil that we're connected in an energetic ecology to a deeper realms of being that all our ancestors believed in, and all the indigenous cultures still sayis there, even all the hippies say it.

But the problem, or one of the problems is a lot of the languaging or a lot of the mapping of the terra incognita, the invisible landscape of the inner dimensionality, it's hard to languagize in ways that our culture can understand, because it's promoted a language of efficient, ruthless kind of 9 to 5 corporatism.

Nowadays, if it doesn't fit the agenda – and we've had 500 years of exorcising the people and the connection to these realms – so we've almost invisiblized it, and the capacity to describe it. So when a lot of people say "it's all, it's all love, man. It's all connected. It's all one big thing." Well some people will just be critical, but it's hard to comprehend. And the fact is that it's not recreational, it's exploratory.

There was a declaration of consciousness that I think Timothy Leary wrote back in the 60s, based on the Founding Fathers of America's Declaration of Independence. But, you know, in their kind of Declaration of Independence, there is the right to choose their own sovereignty. And governments have been encroaching on these rights for a very long time. But we have a sovereign right to know ourselves of who and what we are.

And if you are going to step into your self knowing with these type of substances, then it's good to have a facilitator that knows what they're doing and has been there before you and can maybe even work in a set and setting of people where maybe there's healing, maybe there's trauma, maybe there's optimization. But you're getting to know yourself and your being. Maybe there's goal setting and there's that long tail integration coaching that helps you reach those goals and transform your entire life. Right?

And maybe they won't be the goals you set out with when you get to that end stage. Maybe you won't be a better CEO with the company and you save a rainforest, or you live with an indigenous community in the woods and you're HAPPY. And that vibration radiates out to your family and your friends, and it radiates through the world. And if we all find our happiness, that's the whole point of being here.

Kylie: Yes. Yes, yes yes yes. Absolutely.

Rak: Now I don't have the special upsell, my free e-book gift in my training course that I could sell.. as I said at the start, I'm like the anti-coach. I'm like the anti- teacher mystic. I do have a lot of things available at www.rakrazam.com. You can get my books and ebooks on ayahuasca and 5-MeO-DMT. Two Shamans of the Global Village films. There are a few ebooks. If you sign up on my website, you get a free e-book on consciousness and the deeper purpose of psychedelics, which is a snapshot overview of a lot of stuff we talked about today. And if you are looking to connect with me, you can find me, somehow. It'll be worth it.

Kylie: There's not that many people called Rak Rollerskate Razam. Only one. Oh, Rak. Thank you. Thank you for sharing your heart and your wisdom and your enthusiasm with us. And to be able to encapsulate it in this little moment is just such a treasure, because I can absolutely advocate, vindicate, edify your mastery in this realm and it has been an absolute – it's been life changing.

I've had many ceremonies with you, and it's been absolutely incredible and literally awe inspiring. And so to be able to learn from you and journey with you has been has been such a joy. So thank you. Thank you. It's been so great. And just to share you with a few more people in the world is just an absolute joy. So I thank you for your time.

Rak: Well, Kylie, I want to say thank you for the opportunity to to speak with you and I your network. But I looked at your website too because we've known each other for quite a while. And look at the cool stuff that you! And and just to realize as well, there are such deep modalities in your skill base, but also in this profession, right. And the bleed through into all these other kind of professions and how all of them just empower you to give you more capacity to be in service. And so kudos to you and all that you do. I think it's wonderful. And yeah, beautiful.

Kylie: Thanks, Rak. I appreciate you. I'll catch you in the next now, hey.

Rak: Aloha.

Kylie: Aloha.